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brookst · 2026-10-28T15:01:57.000Z

I don't know about worse. Imagine a world where there is no OS authority, each app does their own. Do you think all important apps would be updated in 10 days, including auto-updates?

Apple fucked this up, but I really don't think the situation is "as bad if not worse" than if MacOS just didn't do this.

mikepurvis · 2026-10-28T15:19:46.000Z

Isn't that the world that Docker gives us, basically?

Shish2k · 2026-10-28T15:43:04.000Z

Yes - difficulty in shipping security updates to a hundred different container images, each of which is vulnerable in their own slightly-different way because they all decided to ship an OS alongside their app - is one of the top criticisms of the docker way of doing things

xp84 · 2026-10-28T15:58:26.000Z

What kind of psychopath ships 100 distinct container images? I mean, maybe if you’re talking about all of Netflix or something, but… I suspect even they have base images that they use as a starting point.

There’s very little actually running in a docker container. ca-certs may actually be an exceptional case though, since it’s not code that’s running but a kind of data.

It’s not like if you use an Ubuntu image for a node.js app that you get PHP too and have the PHP vulnerability present in your web app.

stackskipton · 2026-10-28T16:14:54.000Z

You still have to rebuild each Application Container with new CACert and deploy them. Depending on teams are working, that can be disruptive.

anamexis · 2026-10-28T16:50:29.000Z

I would say that if rebuilding your docker containers is a disruptive process, that is a process issue.

stackskipton · 2026-10-28T18:07:04.000Z

I would agree but it doesn't change the fact that many companies do not have CD and have processes that must be followed for rollouts.

It's same problem we have when libraries get massive security vulnerabilities. Updating them is not always as easy as many would like.

stephbook · 2026-10-28T18:30:12.000Z

Just run it in kubernetes and mount the certificates with trust-manager

lakeviewterrace · 2026-10-28T16:37:33.000Z

> Imagine a world where there is no OS authority, each app does their own.

That's the world we live in now thanks to Google and Mozilla.

gchamonlive · 2026-10-28T15:05:05.000Z

It makes no sense to imagine this hypothetical scenario and compare it to reality, you have to imagine a similar world with a OS authority, but it only gets updated every 6 months. Which is worse in the worse case? I'd say the one with the lower blast radius.

But this abstract exercise is only to highlight the importance of Apple getting its shit together, because such a scenario exists with Windows and the culture of downloading exes and msis and it's honestly way worse than having a central but responsible authority.