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Yeah the real answer is banning private funding from politics in as many ways as possible.


As long as there are people who allocate billions with a sign of the pen, with zero personal responsibility and skin in the game, there will be whole industries dedicated to swaying their hand.

Right, and there can be laws that make their efforts more or less effective.

For example, we could behead people convicted of corrupting or being corrupted. That would be a significant deterrent.


While I like the sentiment, the law of unintended consequences will most likely strike back hard.

I don't think this is necessarily a good policy. I'm saying it's obviously blatantly untrue to suggest that just because people will always want to corrupt public officials, that they will be equally successful in all possible universes.

It's also untrue to suggest that any intervention will necessarily create a worse outcome than the status quo.


> we could behead people convicted of corrupting or being corrupted

This has historically done nothing for corruption and everything for one-party rule.


Yeah, all we really need to do is pass laws that make some of this corruption actually illegal instead of "constitutionally protected speech."

We need to amend the Constitution to strike pardon power and give the Congress the power to pass property taxes (aka wealth taxes) and regulate donations to campaigns, candidates, parties and partisan causes.

We also need law establishing mandatory retirement for Congressmen and judges, including justices, and a system where each President appoints (with Senate consent) one and only one justice to SCOTUS. Finally, yes, pass McCain-Feingold, pass a SCOTUS ethics bill and make corruption charges easier to bring.


In every country that regularly prosecutes elected officials, it becomes a political weapon that ultimately destabilizes the country.

Wow, maybe the republicans should have considered the consequences before letting the Trump administration weaponize the DOJ.

They didn’t, and they own the consequences.


This is an observation about the world in general, not U.S. politics specifically. Prosecuting elected officials basically means that you trust the bureaucracy more than voters. This has not proven to be a successful approach.

We have been very lucky in the U.S. to avoid these problems. And it's not because nobody before Trump ever did anything rising to the level of paying off a porn star and calling it "legal expenses." It's because we have had a taboo against prosecuting politicians.


> every country that regularly prosecutes elected officials

The bar should be high. We’ve set it impossibly high. In terms of instability risk, corruption is currently causing runaway prosecutions.


You can't police that. The only thing you can reliably do is allocate power. If you allocate power to prosecutors to prosecute elected officials, you've basically handed them the power to decide who people are allowed to vote for. This power gets abused in virtually every country where it's normalized.

The safeguards within the justice system are appropriate for prosecuting individuals. They are not set up to handle matters of national importance that could way the direction of the country or deprive tens of millions of voters of their preferred candidate.

If you don't believe that, then consider a hypothetical system where we allow prosecutions according to the standard you propose. Except only Texas courts and prosecutors have jurisdiction.


> If you allocate power to prosecutors to prosecute elected officials, you've basically handed them the power to decide who people are allowed to vote for

Of course not. You’ve given them the power to present a case to a court.

> consider a hypothetical system where we allow prosecutions according to the standard you propose

Literally the current DoJ and FBI.


> Of course not. You’ve given them the power to present a case to a court.

Courts are designed to make decisions about individual cases, not ones that affect the trajectory of the whole country. It’s simply the wrong tool for the job.

> Literally the current DoJ and FBI

Not even close. I don’t think you can even find a prosecutor’s office and jury pool that’s as red as the DOJ and DC jury pool. AOC’s district is MAGA by comparison at 33% Trump voters.


The DoJ is literally run by trump’s personal lawyer. You can play this game where you pretend it’s all the same but the rest of us have eyes too.

The DOJ has thousands of lawyers, almost all of whom are are the most ideological kind of democrats.[1] Law is a very specialized field that attracts a very narrow, highly unrepresentative slice of the population. Normally this is fine because the DOJ’s work doesn’t have much of a political valance.

[1] Every DOJ person I know is a great lawyer, phenomenal at their job, and the most upstanding, orderly, conscientious type of American. But they can’t be trusted with that much power over politics. It’s like how you can’t give the One Ring to Gandalf. You have to give it to the Hobbits.


And? Is "people [allegedly] have different political views than me" supposed to be equivalent to "this is the personal defense lawyer for POTUS?"

Re your analogy: the power is with Hobbits. We call them grand and petit juries.


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As expected, you ignore the actual complaint and just draw specious comparisons, making unsubstantiated claims that "most" of the people at the DoJ are totally democrats, trust me dude.

I'll just leave this here, since this was the actual complaint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Blanche


> It’s simply the wrong tool for the job

It’s all we’ve got. Hand waving away corruption when we’ve got destabilizing quantities of it today is unsustainable.

> don’t think you can even find a prosecutor’s office and jury pool that’s as red as the DOJ and DC jury pool

Which is the judiciary (broadly) protecting us from rogue prosecutors.


The alternative being that a criminal can have perma-immunity by simply running for office or getting elected?

> They are not set up to handle matters of national importance that could way the direction of the country or deprive tens of millions of voters of their preferred candidate.

Right, they're set up to ascertain guilt of a crime. Why is it or should it be their concern if people want to vote for that person or if that person has political aspirations?

You're advocating for criminal law to simply not apply to some people. That is fucking insane.


The idea that American voters are a check on corrupt officials is dead on the side of the road.

> a system where each President appoints (with Senate consent) one and only one justice to SCOTUS.

This is my only significant disagreement with you. This should be two justices:

1) An 18-year (9*2) term is more compatible with age limits than a 36-year term

2) Each Senate class gets to participate in the appointment of one justice.


> 1) An 18-year (9*2) term is more compatible with age limits than a 36-year term 2) Each Senate class gets to participate in the appointment of one justice

I like No. 1.

No. 2 seems overcomplicated compared with staggering retirements in the way Art. 1 § 3 cl. 2 staggers the Senate. The Senate is also more diverse than the Presidency; limiting the latter would check against some dirty tricks.


I think everyone understands this already. But there's also a big difference between making it easy for industries to sway politicians and difficult. That's what actually matters.

To put it another way, I still put a lock on my door even though lockpicks exist. I still use passwords on my accounts even though people could guess or brute force them.

Don't trivialize things to uselessness




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