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It has nothing to with EU itseld and a lot of to do with far right trying to turn people against EU. EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk. They want to push it over the line and break down.

Just a few months ago, there was push to call European countries vasals of USA - exactly when they said "no". Somehow Venezuela is not a vassal state and somehow Saudi completely dependent on USA were "standing on own feet".

That disappeard, now EU is fascist. Somehow Orban never was tho.



It's also got to do with the structures, that make the governing body of the EU, if it lets bought politicians again and again push hostile agendas, against the will of the people inside the EU, and inching ever closer to that, which we don't want to become.

> EU in general is the last hope for democracy and it is kinda at risk

Funny given it's not and was never supposed to be a "democracy" or a federation for that matter.

> That disappeard, now EU is fascist

Not necessarily? Mass surveillance is something integral to totalitarian states of any leaning.


Yes, European countries are supposed to be democratic.

> Not necessarily?

I dont think it is fascist, but yes people on HN call it fascist more often then is reasonable.


From a comment further up: 'If you don't know, the unfortunate way the EU is structured, the Parliament cannot initiate legislation. They can only vote on whatever the Commission puts in front of them.'.

> with far right trying to turn people against EU.

The far right does not need to do that, the EU is doing it itself just fine.

Secondly this push like the one for Chat Control comes from the commission itself and as far as I can tell the far right has not taken over the commission so what you are saying makes no sense.

> now EU is fascist.

Chat control V1, Chat control V2, various data retention schemes (aka invasive metadata storage), DSA (aka censorship), age verification law and so on...

Don't believe me, see for your self: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/going-dark-expert-gro...

Here is small excerpt:

The #EUGoingDark group aims to develop access and monitoring paths to our devices (e.g. smartphones, smart homes, cars) and applications. In doing so, it relies on industry cooperation, influencing technology standardisation committees and standardised access protocols. The group wants to establish the concept of “security by design” in the EU. This means that technology should be developed according to the wishes of police forces and intelligence services and designed to be interceptable from the outset. In short: investigating authorities should be able to gain access to data on all our end devices. Even if the group explicitly denies it, this is about backdoors in one form or another.

War is peace, freedom is slavery and all that.




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